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发表于 24-8-2013 18:24:27|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
刀如水 发表于 24-8-2013 17:21
没有这方面的数据。 只知道以前华中说自己是世界上剑桥牛津录取率最高的中学, 今年改成了“录取率最高的 ...

This makes me believe that the difference between these two prestigious institutes is marginal. Thanks for sharing the info.
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发表于 24-8-2013 23:02:06|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 hongstar 于 24-8-2013 23:03 编辑

我觉得这三所学校里很多学生去什么学校都没问题,关键是专业。法律,医科等热门专业绝对难,其他一般专业要进并不难。所以进了名校,进了好专业才真正好。
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发表于 25-8-2013 10:35:05|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
刀如水 发表于 24-8-2013 16:15
对个体来说, 华中和RI没有什么区别。  同意xiziyi的看法,最重要的是孩子在学校的排名,在华中还是RI真 ...

关键是这二所都这样, 去其它地方是不是更惨?
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发表于 25-8-2013 13:21:16|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
刀如水 发表于 24-8-2013 16:15
对个体来说, 华中和RI没有什么区别。  同意xiziyi的看法,最重要的是孩子在学校的排名,在华中还是RI真 ...

给儿子看了一眼这个贴。儿子说他看过这篇文章,而且文章的作者在网络上受到了华中JC学生的抨击。大家都认为是她自己不努力,考试结果差强人意,还来赖学校。

我儿子在华初也是一只小蚂蚁。希望他能做一只努力一点的蚂蚁。

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回复了, 在审核。  详情 回复 发表于 25-8-2013 17:45
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发表于 25-8-2013 17:19:09|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 刀如水 于 25-8-2013 17:45 编辑
寂寞有害 发表于 25-8-2013 13:21
给儿子看了一眼这个贴。儿子说他看过这篇文章,而且文章的作者在网络上受到了华中JC学生的抨击。大家都认 ...

小蚂蚁能够举起超过自身体重400倍的东西,小蚂蚁是世界上最顽强的动物, 你的儿子A-level一定会考出好成绩的。

关于《The Ugly Truth..》。还好吧, 到目前为止在原文的回复栏里没看到有人"抨击", 多数的回复都是都是同情,鼓励和建议(也有嘲讽,不过都是来自普通学校)。 多数人都明白这个女孩已经付出了最大的努力,她的问题在于对精英一词的误解,对未来过高的期望以及对成功的错误定义。 现摘取几段回复:

1.      thank youfor the sharing; it somehow makes your junior (me) feel much better despite allthe sucky aspects of HC. I guess i started a little differently from you as iwas from NY. Nevertheless, it's not all that different given i still struggledto survive academically and socially. Indeed, incompetent tutors and unfriendlyclassmates aren't helping the situation either... (then again, it depends onyour class. Some classes are really inclusive) you're not the only one who hasto convince yourself daily of the need to attend school. ;) But we have learnt,albeit in a hard way, to deal with life. I truly believe i have become strongerand can now single-mindedly pursue my goal without giving a damn about whatothers think of me. I probably won't miss HC at all when i leave, but i amstill glad HC gave a me taste of how tough life can be. We aren't that bad, yaknow! XD
2.      I'm in RJ,cried when I read this. I came in through RG and for the last 5 years I've beenseeing people crumble from the weight of unfulfilled expectations. Most of usspent our nights crying. The worst part is that this is seen as normal, justpart of the package. It's almost a universal feeling here in RJ that we'renever going to be good enough. It's not just about the academics even, it'sabout the underlying message that self-worth hinges upon your achievements. Evenif people say 'life is gonna present challenges, you just have to get over it',sure most of us will do well eventually, but the damage would have been done.When people look at our good results they see a noble struggle that weovercame, not a one-dimensional rat race and the pointless emotional turmoil wewent through. For those that don't, it's heartbreaking for our efforts to allof a sudden mean absolutely nothing.
3.      Hi there! Whoa you have so manycomments on this post I hope you'll manage to read mine amongst the wholeflurry haha.

I don't know you personally, and I'm not from HC I'm from RJ, but someoneshared your post on facebook and I CAN RELATE SO MUCH TO IT. I think I'm in theexact same situation as you have been. I was always the model student, the"smart" kid, the one acing exams and getting As in primary school.But that changed when I entered GEP, and changed even more when I went to rgs.I didn't want to go and actually I didn't even make the cut in terms of PSLEgrades (I got 254) but I secured a place through DSA. I actually wanted to goto Anderson but then all my friends were going to such schools and so I waslike ah heck just go. I was not happy there. I wanted to transfer to an artsschool like Sota but...that never happened as my parents weren't supportive ofthat. So like almost everyone else in my school I just went on to RJ.

I'm in J2 now, in the arts stream. A lot of my other friends are aiming forthings like med, or law, and most of them want to go overseas. Of course I'dlike to get all As too but then there's this part about being realistic.Realistically speaking, I don't think all As is within my capacity. I'd behappy with all Bs actually, even though some people might look down on myseemingly "low" expectations. Yes my PW was a B too and it was quitepissing cos everyone else in my class got an A, even the slacker in my groupwho freeloaded on us. But I don't let that get to me. I was surprised to findout that my friends from other non "elite" JCs view a B for PW assomething worth celebrating.

Honestly I don't think your A level grades are bad. My maths grades arehorrible; I've never passed in these past 2 years. I'd actually be really gladif I were to manage to scrape a C! Anyway you still managed to get a place inuni right? So that's great! I wanna go to nus fass too :D

Okay my comment is getting extremely long winded and rambly I think I'd betterstop now, you've probably read through comments that have said basicallythe same things I have right haha. Anyway thank you for having the courage towrite such a post despite all the possible backlash and negative comments frompeople who don't agree. It's really so relatable, for me anyway. :)

Cheers! I hope you'll have a better experience in uni than you've had in jc,and all the best in future endeavours :)
4.       ello(: I'm astudent in HC (HS) and I will perhaps offer a different perspective to life inan elite school.

As much as I can empathize with your circumstances, I cannot actually say thatI have experienced it myself. Apparently I am from the other end of theacademic spectrum, and while they seem like polar opposites, I can tell youthat we (or at least I) face the same issues as you but in a different way. Imean, if you feel stress that people expect you to have good results just cuzyou're in HC, it is probably equally as stressful that everyone expects us tohave excellent, record-breaking results. I face intense competition from mypeers everyday because it seems like everyone is getting better except for me.It feels like the stakes are getting higher and higher and we are somehowexpected to catch up without a problem, even when there's no one you can reallytalk to because everyone is a competitor. And when you work really hard butstill fail, instead of encouragement you can see disappointment in yourteachers' eyes. This doesn't help when you are already feeling verydisappointed and angry with yourself.

I agree with you that the stereotype that others have of HC students isterrible. I hate it when people label me as 'mugger' or 'smart' because insideI know that I can hardly live up to those standards. I can also totallyunderstand the feeling when people say that a fail in HC is the same as a B orC elsewhere. But then again you can't really blame HC for their positivepropaganda and publications or whatnot, because which school would want toportray themselves as bad?

Anyway I want to encourage you for your courage and honesty in posting this,and also because I can see that you have really really really worked hard foryour As. I mean, instead of constantly comparing with our peers, perhapssometimes we should compare with ourselves - our abilities, our standards andour past records. From SUD/UD to BBC/BA is no mean feat. Really. And this is coming from astudent who is supposed to score well all the time. Be assured that thelower percentiles are never overlooked. Hehe this post is actuallycirculating on FB especially amongst my peers who are in Special Programmes andit's truly an inspiration(?haha is this the correct word to use) to all of us!:D

JIAYOUS for all of your future endeavours and I wish you all the best in life(:
5.      Chanced upon your post today. I was from HC too, and I know it can feeldemoralising to be surrounded by high achieving people. I was in Artemis, whereall the SMTP peeps reside. Haha. It's like you're a small fish in the big pond.

But when you step back and take a look, you will realise that the world doesnot just consist of elites. Truly, it's in my current workplace that i start tomeet more people who get worse results than you, and i am at a loss of words tocomfort them. 2 years ago, I would have thought your results were horrible.Now, yours are pretty good, and you even have a chance to enter localuniversities.

I know it is easy to get caught up in grades, especially in elite schools andin your future university. But understand that the world out there is more thanjust grades. You have participated in SYF, you have learnt dance skills whichhave much use in the future, even if its just for recreation. Learn to findyour strengths, take pride in it and work hard to train it up!

The last thing i would like to share about is to be appreciative. As i havementioned, there are many others who have scored worse than you. Just becauseyou are the lower percentile of your school, doesnt mean you are that of yourwhole cohort. Also, appreciate your hard work. You have worked hard for yourgrade, and strive to work harder for your next one!

I hope to see you in NTU this year if you are coming! And remember, life isn'tall about grades, it's about doing everything to the best of your abilities,and being proud of it :)

P.S. I didn't like HC too. In fact, I joined the school for the air-con classrooms!
6.        Im from HCtoo and i've scored alot worse than you haha, but on the fateful day itself iguess i didnt feel as dissappointed and faithless towards the elite system as idid not expect as much from it in the first place... but anyways! Take thisexperience in your stride and move on in life! its not all about studying ya knowxD
















  

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发表于 25-8-2013 18:27:31|来自:新加坡 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
xiyizi 发表于 23-8-2013 22:03
我的意思是,如果很在意学校的排名,
孩子又能考上RI,就上RI。
如果是DSA进了华中,而没有进RI,

我家老大上的英校,感觉他有点遇强则强,所以还蛮适应英校的生活。小女有点随遇而安,所以我把特选中学当作她的DREAM SCHOOL。您可以分享一下,为什么您孩子不适应特选华校吗?特选华校有什么不好吗?谢谢!
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发表于 26-8-2013 08:42:22|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
4justice 发表于 25-8-2013 10:35
关键是这二所都这样, 去其它地方是不是更惨?

这就让我联想到了那个使人困扰的问题, “做一条大池塘里小鱼,还做一条小池塘里的大鱼” (To be a small fish in a big pond or a big fish in a small pond?)

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同意。鸡头凤尾。看孩子的个***。有些孩子喜欢竞争的环境,而有些孩子需要关怀和鼓励  详情 回复 发表于 26-8-2013 09:43
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发表于 26-8-2013 08:55:05|来自:新加坡 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
刀如水 发表于 25-8-2013 17:19
小蚂蚁能够举起超过自身体重400倍的东西,小蚂蚁是世界上最顽强的动物, 你的儿子A-level一定会考出好成绩 ...

谢谢分享!让我们了解一些孩子在名校的心里历程。
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发表于 26-8-2013 09:35:23|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 刀如水 于 26-8-2013 09:49 编辑
我要开心 发表于 24-8-2013 08:47
由于HCI 在2012年没公布很多数据,而RI 有公布比较多的数据,所以不能做比较。2011 年多数初院有公布数据 ...

我的表格做好了。

以下内容摘自一名本地中学教师的博客(http://neurotic-ramblings-sg.blo ... i-vs-hwa-chong.html), 我的翻译可能有些不准确之处, 建议参考原文。



从其它方面比较华中和莱佛士:

比较项目
莱佛士书院
华侨中学
领先方
学费(新加坡公民)$300/月$250/月(中一中二), $300 /月(中三以上)华中
便宜啊!当然对拿到奖学金的孩子来说区别不大
师生比例  11:1  13:1莱佛士书院
比例越小越好
CCA数量 (中学和初院)27 个运动项目, 42个俱乐部27 个运动项目, 24个俱乐部莱佛士书院
CCA种类越多越好
语言文化英文为主英文为主但更重视双语能力华中
技不压身,多掌握一门语言肯定更好。
优秀学生文凭(Diploam)的评选标准5个各方面:成绩, 品格和领导能预考成绩, JC1和JC2的表现以及:莱佛士书院
力,社会和社团服务, 艺术,运动1. 学术成就(比如代表国家参加国际竞赛,选择H3科目,国际奥林匹克竞赛优胜,等等)莱佛士书院的“文凭”层次较多,涵盖面较广。 华中文凭比较侧重学业方面。
优秀学生证书有3个级别:普通, 优, 特优)2. 领导能力和对学校的贡献(例如代表国家参加运动竞赛, 课外活动团体领袖,组织,主办各种活动, 等等)
见习,实习机会以及学术假期 (Sabbaticals)莱佛士书院自称在学术假期(Gap Semester )期间提供120个课外课程供学生选读  (共9个星期,供学生探索和研究课外知识),包括海外研究和实习的机会,学生也可以自己开办他们感兴趣的课程提供大量而且宽阔的学习平台和机会。  华中也提供多种多样的学术假期课程(sabbatical programme),共12个星期时间莱佛士书院
(见仁见智, 我个人认为莱佛士书院的学术假期课程比较富有创新性。 所以,喜欢“深度”的人应该选莱佛士书院, 喜欢“广度”的应该选华中。
获得总统奖学金人数
88
55
莱佛士书院
交通驾车:还行,早上交通有一点点不畅驾车:早上严重堵车 (附近有太多名校了)莱佛士书院
公共交通: 靠近碧山和玛丽蒙(Marymount)地铁站, 附近还有6条巴士线路可供选择公共交通: 远离任何一个地铁站。 附近有10条巴士线路可供选择, 但多数巴士早上都会碰到拥堵问题(2015年陈嘉庚地铁站开通后华中的交通情况应该会大大改善)


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发表于 26-8-2013 09:41:00|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
Fiona2004 发表于 25-8-2013 18:27
我家老大上的英校,感觉他有点遇强则强,所以还蛮适应英校的生活。小女有点随遇而安,所以我把特选中学当 ...

你家小女有点随遇而安, 这样的孩子应该是很乖巧的,听话的。
估计传统华校也是合适她的。

我家老大,从小就非常有主见,而且不随大流的那种孩子。
她需要很大的个人空间,要求民主,不受控于人的。
传统华校秉承华人的传统儒家思想,尊师重道。
那么当她对于老师的教导有自己的看法和意见的时候,
往往得不到老师的认同。
而且, 传统华校更多的是管教,鼓励和赞赏比较少。

她初院选了传统英校,而且有很多家长老师是基 督。
实事证明选择是非常正确的。
学校的理念是开放,民主,更大的自由空间,爱心关怀,
注重学生的品格修养,CCA和自己兴趣的发展,
尤其是关注学生的心灵和内心的需求。
更多的鼓励和赞赏,使得孩子有较大的内心动力去追求,更加朝气蓬勃,而不是被动往前走。

具体到立化,这些年,立化在很多方面都有很大变化, 进步很快。
也有一些朋友的孩子在立化, 非常适应和开心,也取得很不错的成绩。
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